Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | British Muslims want Islamic law and prayers at work
Alan Travis and Madeleine Bunting
Tuesday November 30, 2004
The Guardian
[While I hate to use anything from the Guardian, I thought this was an interesting tidbit. If Muslims want Sharia and time off from work to pray, why in the world did they leave their third world cesspools in the first place??]
Muslims in Britain want greater recognition of their faith with the introduction of Islamic law for civil cases and time off for prayers during the working day, but are equally committed to greater participation in British life.
A special Guardian/ICM poll based on a survey of 500 British Muslims found that a clear majority want Islamic law introduced into this country in civil cases relating to their own community. Some 61% wanted Islamic courts - operating on sharia principles - 'so long as the penalties did not contravene British law'.
Many civil cases in this country deal with family disputes such as divorce, custody and inheritance.
The poll also found a high level of religious observance with just over half saying they pray five times a day, every day - although women are shown to be more devout than men. The poll reveals that 88% want to see schools and workplaces in Britain accommodating Muslim prayer times as part of their normal working day.
Alongside these signs of a desire for more recognition of their religion, however, the poll suggests that the Muslim community is perhaps more integrated than many might imagine, with 62% saying they number 'a lot or quite a few' non-Muslim people among their closest friends and 35% saying they would consider marrying someone who was not a Muslim.
There is also a strong appetite within the Muslim community to become a closer part of British life, with 40% saying they need to do more to integrate into mainstream British culture.
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Tuesday, November 30, 2004
Friday, November 26, 2004
Parliamentarians in sharia-law dilemma
Parliamentarians in sharia-law dilemma - By The Copenhagen Post
Muslim politicians in this country say Islamic sharia law is an inextricable part of their identity - but claim it can be practiced within the parameters of Danish democracy
Political parties in Parliament are pressuring Muslim members to publicly disavow portions of Islamic sharia law condoning stoning, whipping and the amputation of hands.
Most parties have not urged their Muslim members to condemn portions of the traditional Islamic law pertaining to general lifestyle or religious issues such as prayer and fasting.
On Monday, Social Democratic immigration spokeswoman Anne-Marie Meldgaard issued an ultimatum to Muslim party members, demanding that they condemn sharia in order to remain in the party.
Party leader Mogens Lykketoft has so far declined comment on the ultimatum, and Meldgaard has since modified her original remarks.
'Of course it's OK to fast. As long as an individual is not acting in violation of the constitution, Danish jurisprudence, principles of equality or democracy, we can accept it. But I still maintain that people have no business with us if they place Islamic law above our democratic system, or support execution by stoning,' said Meldgaard.
Social Democratic party member Hamid El Mousti, a Moroccan by birth, currently sits on Copenhagens City Council. El Mousti claims it is impossible for Muslims to disavow sharia in its entirety.
'Sharia is a part of our identity - part of being Muslim. It's unreasonable to ask us to swear off our religion - but demanding that we accept the values of Denmark is fine,' said El Mousti, emphasising that he in no way condones the stoning of adulterous women or amputation of hands to punish thieves.
Muslim politicians in this country say Islamic sharia law is an inextricable part of their identity - but claim it can be practiced within the parameters of Danish democracy
Political parties in Parliament are pressuring Muslim members to publicly disavow portions of Islamic sharia law condoning stoning, whipping and the amputation of hands.
Most parties have not urged their Muslim members to condemn portions of the traditional Islamic law pertaining to general lifestyle or religious issues such as prayer and fasting.
On Monday, Social Democratic immigration spokeswoman Anne-Marie Meldgaard issued an ultimatum to Muslim party members, demanding that they condemn sharia in order to remain in the party.
Party leader Mogens Lykketoft has so far declined comment on the ultimatum, and Meldgaard has since modified her original remarks.
'Of course it's OK to fast. As long as an individual is not acting in violation of the constitution, Danish jurisprudence, principles of equality or democracy, we can accept it. But I still maintain that people have no business with us if they place Islamic law above our democratic system, or support execution by stoning,' said Meldgaard.
Social Democratic party member Hamid El Mousti, a Moroccan by birth, currently sits on Copenhagens City Council. El Mousti claims it is impossible for Muslims to disavow sharia in its entirety.
'Sharia is a part of our identity - part of being Muslim. It's unreasonable to ask us to swear off our religion - but demanding that we accept the values of Denmark is fine,' said El Mousti, emphasising that he in no way condones the stoning of adulterous women or amputation of hands to punish thieves.
Expatica - Germany agonises over Islam
Germany agonises over Islam
Germany agonises over Islam
Concern that religious tensions along the lines of those sparked in the Netherlands by the brutal killing of Islam-critical filmmaker Theo van Gogh could spill over into Germany has triggered a fresh debate among Germans about integrating the nation's large foreign population. Leon Mangasarian reports.
Muslims comprise 4 percent of Germany's population
While Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has stepped-up a campaign calling on the country's big Muslim community to fit with the country's laws and its democratic principles, leading political figures in the nation have claimed that multiculturalism has failed in Germany.
This comes in the wake of a mass demonstration of Muslims in Germany against terror and growing alarm in the country over the torching of mosques, churches and schools in the Netherlands following the van Gogh killing.
There have also been press reports of a link between the van Gogh murder and Germany, with claims that one of those involved in the killing in the Netherlands lived in neighbouring Germany.
With 3.4 million Muslims comprising 4 percent of Germany's population, the question was put this way by a banner headline in the conservative Bild newspaper: "Is the hate going to come here?" asked the biggest selling tabloid.
The Berliner Zeitung, a left-leaning paper in the German capital where about 200,000 mainly Turkish Muslims live, claims to know the answer: "The feelings of hated against the majority Christian society are growing."
So far there has not been a high profile killing in Germany to match the stabbing and shooting of van Gogh. But a series of attacks on Jews in Berlin by Arab youths have sharply raised concerns.
Germany's tough-minded interior minister, Otto Schily, spoke at the weekend of "a danger" to the country despite successes in integrating the majority of immigrants.
Schily drew headlines earlier this year with a harsh warning to Islamic fundamentalists: "If you love death so much, then it can be yours."
German opposition conservatives are demanding a ban on preaching in mosques in any language other than German.
Calls for such a move were fuelled by a dramatic TV film secretly made in a Berlin mosque.
Is the hate going to come here?
"These Germans, these atheists, these Europeans don't shave under their arms and their sweat collects under their hair with a revolting smell and they stink," said the preacher at the Mevlana Mosque in Berlin's Kreuzberg district, in the film made by Germany's ZDF public TV, adding: "Hell lives for the infidels! Down with all democracies and all democrats!
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Germany agonises over Islam
Concern that religious tensions along the lines of those sparked in the Netherlands by the brutal killing of Islam-critical filmmaker Theo van Gogh could spill over into Germany has triggered a fresh debate among Germans about integrating the nation's large foreign population. Leon Mangasarian reports.
Muslims comprise 4 percent of Germany's population
While Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has stepped-up a campaign calling on the country's big Muslim community to fit with the country's laws and its democratic principles, leading political figures in the nation have claimed that multiculturalism has failed in Germany.
This comes in the wake of a mass demonstration of Muslims in Germany against terror and growing alarm in the country over the torching of mosques, churches and schools in the Netherlands following the van Gogh killing.
There have also been press reports of a link between the van Gogh murder and Germany, with claims that one of those involved in the killing in the Netherlands lived in neighbouring Germany.
With 3.4 million Muslims comprising 4 percent of Germany's population, the question was put this way by a banner headline in the conservative Bild newspaper: "Is the hate going to come here?" asked the biggest selling tabloid.
The Berliner Zeitung, a left-leaning paper in the German capital where about 200,000 mainly Turkish Muslims live, claims to know the answer: "The feelings of hated against the majority Christian society are growing."
So far there has not been a high profile killing in Germany to match the stabbing and shooting of van Gogh. But a series of attacks on Jews in Berlin by Arab youths have sharply raised concerns.
Germany's tough-minded interior minister, Otto Schily, spoke at the weekend of "a danger" to the country despite successes in integrating the majority of immigrants.
Schily drew headlines earlier this year with a harsh warning to Islamic fundamentalists: "If you love death so much, then it can be yours."
German opposition conservatives are demanding a ban on preaching in mosques in any language other than German.
Calls for such a move were fuelled by a dramatic TV film secretly made in a Berlin mosque.
Is the hate going to come here?
"These Germans, these atheists, these Europeans don't shave under their arms and their sweat collects under their hair with a revolting smell and they stink," said the preacher at the Mevlana Mosque in Berlin's Kreuzberg district, in the film made by Germany's ZDF public TV, adding: "Hell lives for the infidels! Down with all democracies and all democrats!
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Thursday, November 25, 2004
Dutch Try to Thwart Terror Without Being Overzealous
Dutch Try to Thwart Terror Without Being Overzealous: "Dutch Try to Thwart Terror Without Being Overzealous
NY Times ^ | November 25, 2004 | CRAIG S. SMITH
Posted on 11/25/2004 10:05:52 AM CST by neverdem
AMSTERDAM, Nov. 18 - His telephone was tapped, his apartment was watched and many of his friends were already behind bars, so the Dutch authorities were not surprised by evidence that it was Mohamed Bouyeri, a Dutchman of Moroccan descent, who murdered the filmmaker Theo van Gogh in broad daylight one morning this month. Yet they had been powerless to stop the crime.
It is a problem faced by most European governments as radical Islam spreads across the Continent: how to arrest suspected militants before they act, without trampling on individual rights or risking charges of discrimination.
The government of the Netherlands has come under criticism for missing Mr. Bouyeri when Islamist death threats were made against Mr. van Gogh. But stopping him would have meant assessing guilt before the crime, Justice Minister Jan Piet Hein Donner said in an interview.
'You're dealing with processes that take place in one's head,' Mr. Donner said. 'We can't arrest people for wearing certain clothes.'
Mr. Bouyeri first came to the attention of the Dutch authorities in 2002, after he moved out of his family's home and rented a tiny one-bedroom apartment on quiet Marianne Philips Street in the Slotmeer district of western Amsterdam.
The apartment, in a two-story complex that rings a small park, soon became a regular meeting place for a group of young Muslims under the tutelage of a Syrian named Redouan al-Issar, known to the group as Abu Khaled.
The young men stood out with their flowing Arabic robes and beards in a tidy neighborhood where most of the residents were older and Dutch. Neighbors say they were always polite, though they received frequent visitors late into the night.
Mr. Issar, believed to be 43, sought political asylum in Germany in 1995 before moving to Amsterdam. By 2003 he had established himself as the group's spiritual leader and talked to them about "violent jihad," according to intelligence reports cited by the Dutch Justice Ministry in a recent report to Parliament. He often stayed in Mr. Bouyeri's cramped apartment.
But intelligence officials were more interested in a high school student named Samir Azzouz, who also attended the meetings at the apartment and who in early 2003 was arrested in Ukraine, apparently trying to make his way to Chechnya.
He was sent back to Amsterdam, where social workers and schoolteachers tried unsuccessfully to coach him through his final exams.
Months later, Spanish intelligence officials notified the Netherlands that they had intercepted communications between Mr. Azzouz and a Moroccan in Spain who was suspected of involvement in suicide bombings that killed 45 people in Casablanca in May 2003. A wiretapped conversation suggested that Mr. Azzouz and several other men were planning a terrorist attack.
The Dutch authorities found bomb ingredients in Mr. Azzouz's possession and remain convinced that a plot was taking shape. But Mr. Azzouz and the others arrested in the case were released within 10 days for lack of evidence. Mr. Issar, their spiritual leader, was eventually deported to Germany.
The Netherlands has since enacted a law making it a crime to conspire to commit a terrorist act. Like the rest of Europe, the country is gradually strengthening laws to thwart terrorists. Mr. Donner has asked for legislation to lower the threshold required for the police to hold suspects before they are charged - he wants suspicion alone to be enough.
He said the Netherlands was also going beyond many countries in Europe by seeking to allow prosecutors to use intelligence reports as evidence without revealing their source. "We are doing things that would be unthinkable in many other countries," he said.
NY Times ^ | November 25, 2004 | CRAIG S. SMITH
Posted on 11/25/2004 10:05:52 AM CST by neverdem
AMSTERDAM, Nov. 18 - His telephone was tapped, his apartment was watched and many of his friends were already behind bars, so the Dutch authorities were not surprised by evidence that it was Mohamed Bouyeri, a Dutchman of Moroccan descent, who murdered the filmmaker Theo van Gogh in broad daylight one morning this month. Yet they had been powerless to stop the crime.
It is a problem faced by most European governments as radical Islam spreads across the Continent: how to arrest suspected militants before they act, without trampling on individual rights or risking charges of discrimination.
The government of the Netherlands has come under criticism for missing Mr. Bouyeri when Islamist death threats were made against Mr. van Gogh. But stopping him would have meant assessing guilt before the crime, Justice Minister Jan Piet Hein Donner said in an interview.
'You're dealing with processes that take place in one's head,' Mr. Donner said. 'We can't arrest people for wearing certain clothes.'
Mr. Bouyeri first came to the attention of the Dutch authorities in 2002, after he moved out of his family's home and rented a tiny one-bedroom apartment on quiet Marianne Philips Street in the Slotmeer district of western Amsterdam.
The apartment, in a two-story complex that rings a small park, soon became a regular meeting place for a group of young Muslims under the tutelage of a Syrian named Redouan al-Issar, known to the group as Abu Khaled.
The young men stood out with their flowing Arabic robes and beards in a tidy neighborhood where most of the residents were older and Dutch. Neighbors say they were always polite, though they received frequent visitors late into the night.
Mr. Issar, believed to be 43, sought political asylum in Germany in 1995 before moving to Amsterdam. By 2003 he had established himself as the group's spiritual leader and talked to them about "violent jihad," according to intelligence reports cited by the Dutch Justice Ministry in a recent report to Parliament. He often stayed in Mr. Bouyeri's cramped apartment.
But intelligence officials were more interested in a high school student named Samir Azzouz, who also attended the meetings at the apartment and who in early 2003 was arrested in Ukraine, apparently trying to make his way to Chechnya.
He was sent back to Amsterdam, where social workers and schoolteachers tried unsuccessfully to coach him through his final exams.
Months later, Spanish intelligence officials notified the Netherlands that they had intercepted communications between Mr. Azzouz and a Moroccan in Spain who was suspected of involvement in suicide bombings that killed 45 people in Casablanca in May 2003. A wiretapped conversation suggested that Mr. Azzouz and several other men were planning a terrorist attack.
The Dutch authorities found bomb ingredients in Mr. Azzouz's possession and remain convinced that a plot was taking shape. But Mr. Azzouz and the others arrested in the case were released within 10 days for lack of evidence. Mr. Issar, their spiritual leader, was eventually deported to Germany.
The Netherlands has since enacted a law making it a crime to conspire to commit a terrorist act. Like the rest of Europe, the country is gradually strengthening laws to thwart terrorists. Mr. Donner has asked for legislation to lower the threshold required for the police to hold suspects before they are charged - he wants suspicion alone to be enough.
He said the Netherlands was also going beyond many countries in Europe by seeking to allow prosecutors to use intelligence reports as evidence without revealing their source. "We are doing things that would be unthinkable in many other countries," he said.
BostonHerald.com - International News: African immigrants in Europe subjecting daughters to genital mutilation, activist warns
BostonHerald.com - International News: African immigrants in Europe subjecting daughters to genital mutilation, activist warns: "
African immigrants in Europe subjecting daughters to genital mutilation, activist warns
By Associated Press
Thursday, November 25, 2004
VIENNA, Austria - Many of Europe's African immigrants are subjecting their young daughters to ritual genital mutilation, and authorities are doing little to discourage it, a leading women's rights activist warned Thursday.
Somalia-born supermodel and best-selling author Waris Dirie, who has campaigned to end the disfiguring practice she suffered at age 5 in her homeland, said she estimates one in every three African families living in Europe is secretly carrying out the ritual on daughters born here. No official figures exist.
The procedure - illegal in most European countries - is especially prevalent in Germany and the Netherlands, as well as in Austria, where an estimated 8,000 girls born into immigrant families have been affected, Dirie said.
``We don't know who's doing it and where,'' because there are few initiatives to prevent it or to encourage doctors, nurses, social workers, teachers and others to report suspected cases, Dirie said. An exception is France, where there is strong awareness and education, she said.
``What good is a law if no one is paying attention?'' Dirie told reporters in Austria, where she was being honored Thursday by a Roman Catholic men's movement for her efforts to stop the practice.
Islamic religious leaders are telling Europe's Muslim Africans that the prophets recommend the ancient ritual, which involves the removal of the clitoris, often with a dull blade and no anesthesia, Dirie said.
``That is a catastrophe,'' she said. ``Every imam who is not actively against genital mutilation is guilty. Mutilation is not a tradition - it's a crime that must be abolished.''
Although women generally perform the procedure, sometimes called female circumcision, men are ultimately responsible because ``untrimmed'' young women ``face great difficulties in African societies in finding a husband,'' Dirie said.
Between 100 million and 140 million women have undergone genital mutilation worldwide, and 2 million girls are at risk each year, according to the World Health Organization, which says the practice can lead to infection, the spread of AIDS and crippling physical, psychological and sexual problems.
African immigrants in Europe subjecting daughters to genital mutilation, activist warns
By Associated Press
Thursday, November 25, 2004
VIENNA, Austria - Many of Europe's African immigrants are subjecting their young daughters to ritual genital mutilation, and authorities are doing little to discourage it, a leading women's rights activist warned Thursday.
Somalia-born supermodel and best-selling author Waris Dirie, who has campaigned to end the disfiguring practice she suffered at age 5 in her homeland, said she estimates one in every three African families living in Europe is secretly carrying out the ritual on daughters born here. No official figures exist.
The procedure - illegal in most European countries - is especially prevalent in Germany and the Netherlands, as well as in Austria, where an estimated 8,000 girls born into immigrant families have been affected, Dirie said.
``We don't know who's doing it and where,'' because there are few initiatives to prevent it or to encourage doctors, nurses, social workers, teachers and others to report suspected cases, Dirie said. An exception is France, where there is strong awareness and education, she said.
``What good is a law if no one is paying attention?'' Dirie told reporters in Austria, where she was being honored Thursday by a Roman Catholic men's movement for her efforts to stop the practice.
Islamic religious leaders are telling Europe's Muslim Africans that the prophets recommend the ancient ritual, which involves the removal of the clitoris, often with a dull blade and no anesthesia, Dirie said.
``That is a catastrophe,'' she said. ``Every imam who is not actively against genital mutilation is guilty. Mutilation is not a tradition - it's a crime that must be abolished.''
Although women generally perform the procedure, sometimes called female circumcision, men are ultimately responsible because ``untrimmed'' young women ``face great difficulties in African societies in finding a husband,'' Dirie said.
Between 100 million and 140 million women have undergone genital mutilation worldwide, and 2 million girls are at risk each year, according to the World Health Organization, which says the practice can lead to infection, the spread of AIDS and crippling physical, psychological and sexual problems.
Wednesday, November 24, 2004
French Hostages ‘Adjusted’ to Captors
French Hostages ‘Adjusted’ to Captors
French Hostages ‘Adjusted’ to Captors [from an Iraqi newspaper]
Institute for War and Peace Reporting
11/24/04
(Al-Sabah al-Jadeed) – Reliable sources informed the paper that the two French journalists kidnapped by armed groups a few months ago are west of Anbar province near the borders. The sources added that the journalists and their kidnappers move freely, and it seems the journalists have adjusted themselves with their kidnappers. The source, which is close to the so-called “Muhammad’s Army”, said the journalists wear local clothes and sometimes film military operations conducted by gunmen.
(Al-Sabah al-Jadeed is an independent daily paper.)
Go Figure!
French Hostages ‘Adjusted’ to Captors [from an Iraqi newspaper]
Institute for War and Peace Reporting
11/24/04
(Al-Sabah al-Jadeed) – Reliable sources informed the paper that the two French journalists kidnapped by armed groups a few months ago are west of Anbar province near the borders. The sources added that the journalists and their kidnappers move freely, and it seems the journalists have adjusted themselves with their kidnappers. The source, which is close to the so-called “Muhammad’s Army”, said the journalists wear local clothes and sometimes film military operations conducted by gunmen.
(Al-Sabah al-Jadeed is an independent daily paper.)
Go Figure!
Bahrain Tribune Daily - Dutch probe financing of terror groups
dutch probe financing of terror groups
dutch probe financing of terror groups
AMSTERDAM: Dutch authorities have launched an investigation into the financing of suspected terrorist organisations in the Netherlands.
The probe by the Financial Expertise Centre (FEC), a body grouping officials from Dutch intelligence and the financial markets watchdog, follows a study launched in February into the risks of non-profit groups financing terrorism.
The new investigation focuses on the financial affairs of charities with a religious background, Dutch daily De Volksrant reported, adding that the accounts of three Islamic foundations suspected of having financed terrorism had been blocked.
A spokesman for the FEC — which also includes prosecutors, police and officials from the central bank — confirmed on Tuesday that an investigation had been launched but declined to comment on other details reported in the Dutch media.
The murder earlier this month of Theo van Gogh, who directed a film about violence against Muslim women, has heightened ethnic tension in the Netherlands and led to a series of tit-for-tat arson attacks against mosques and churches.
Dutch authorities are holding seven suspected Muslim militants in connection with the killing and have detained a further six on suspicion of belonging to a radical group.
De Volkskrant said some 3,500 religious organisations, both Muslim and Christian, about 12,000 foundations, some 2,500 other organisations and almost 100 church communities could be targeted under the investigation.
dutch probe financing of terror groups
AMSTERDAM: Dutch authorities have launched an investigation into the financing of suspected terrorist organisations in the Netherlands.
The probe by the Financial Expertise Centre (FEC), a body grouping officials from Dutch intelligence and the financial markets watchdog, follows a study launched in February into the risks of non-profit groups financing terrorism.
The new investigation focuses on the financial affairs of charities with a religious background, Dutch daily De Volksrant reported, adding that the accounts of three Islamic foundations suspected of having financed terrorism had been blocked.
A spokesman for the FEC — which also includes prosecutors, police and officials from the central bank — confirmed on Tuesday that an investigation had been launched but declined to comment on other details reported in the Dutch media.
The murder earlier this month of Theo van Gogh, who directed a film about violence against Muslim women, has heightened ethnic tension in the Netherlands and led to a series of tit-for-tat arson attacks against mosques and churches.
Dutch authorities are holding seven suspected Muslim militants in connection with the killing and have detained a further six on suspicion of belonging to a radical group.
De Volkskrant said some 3,500 religious organisations, both Muslim and Christian, about 12,000 foundations, some 2,500 other organisations and almost 100 church communities could be targeted under the investigation.
9/11-style attack on London thwarted - War on Terror - www.theage.com.au
9/11-style attack on London thwarted - War on Terror - www.theage.com.au
9/11-style attack on London thwarted
By Peter Fray - London
November 24, 2004
A September 11-style terrorist plot to fly hijacked planes into London's tallest buildings has been foiled.
British authorities believe they have thwarted an al-Qaeda attack on the country's 'triple towers' at Canary Wharf and up to five more potential targets, including Heathrow Airport.
The terrorists intended to train as pilots in a repeat of the US suicide missions in 2001.
Neither Downing Street nor Scotland Yard would discuss the reports by Britain's ITN television network and the Daily Mail newspaper. Both organisations cite unnamed, well-placed security sources and insist their information is correct and not politically motivated.
Britain has been gripped by a series of high-profile security alerts, including one in February last year that saw Heathrow ringed by tanks for several days.
Islamist extremists were believed to be plotting to use shoulder-held rocket launchers against incoming planes at the busy airport.
But the new revelations confirm recent warnings by the Government and security chiefs that Washington's staunchest ally is under constant threat by al-Qaeda and its allies.
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Recent early-morning raids have netted more than a dozen suspected terrorists.
Home Secretary David Blunkett has said the extent of the al-Qaeda threat 'on our doorstep' would be revealed in coming court cases.
The Blair Government is planning to introduce harsh new anti-terrorism laws that include special anti-terror courts without juries and the use of phone-tap evidence in trials.
9/11-style attack on London thwarted
By Peter Fray - London
November 24, 2004
A September 11-style terrorist plot to fly hijacked planes into London's tallest buildings has been foiled.
British authorities believe they have thwarted an al-Qaeda attack on the country's 'triple towers' at Canary Wharf and up to five more potential targets, including Heathrow Airport.
The terrorists intended to train as pilots in a repeat of the US suicide missions in 2001.
Neither Downing Street nor Scotland Yard would discuss the reports by Britain's ITN television network and the Daily Mail newspaper. Both organisations cite unnamed, well-placed security sources and insist their information is correct and not politically motivated.
Britain has been gripped by a series of high-profile security alerts, including one in February last year that saw Heathrow ringed by tanks for several days.
Islamist extremists were believed to be plotting to use shoulder-held rocket launchers against incoming planes at the busy airport.
But the new revelations confirm recent warnings by the Government and security chiefs that Washington's staunchest ally is under constant threat by al-Qaeda and its allies.
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Recent early-morning raids have netted more than a dozen suspected terrorists.
Home Secretary David Blunkett has said the extent of the al-Qaeda threat 'on our doorstep' would be revealed in coming court cases.
The Blair Government is planning to introduce harsh new anti-terrorism laws that include special anti-terror courts without juries and the use of phone-tap evidence in trials.
Muslim preacher wants MP Geert Wilders to die
Muslim preacher in hiding after Wilders death remark
24 November 2004
AMSTERDAM — A Muslim preacher has provoked a storm of protest by admitting on Dutch television he wants parliamentarian Geert Wilders to die.
Wilders, an independent Conservative MP, plans to set up a party "to tackle Islamic extremism" in the Netherlands.
Abdul-Jabbar van de Ven, 25, told the media on Wednesday afternoon he had gone into hiding as a result of the outcry about his remark.
In a statement to define his position, Van de Ven claimed he did not want to incite anyone to murder Wilders. He also said he did not wish Wilders to contract a fatal illness.
"I don't wish that on him with either my tongue or my pen. But I would not mourn
[his death], just as the great majority of the Dutch public would not mourn if Osama bin Laden was found dead tomorrow."
Van de Ven said he wanted to meet with senior politicians who had criticised his comments to explain his position in person.
The preacher was a guest on programme Het Elfde Uur on the evangelical broadcaster EO on Tuesday evening.
Asked by presenter Andries Kneuvel if he wanted Wilders, who faces death threats for criticising Islam, to die within the next two years, Van de Ven said yes, preferrably due to illness.
But he said he hoped Wilders was not murdered by a Muslim and that murder in general was wrong.
He did admit however that he felt "some joy" on hearing of the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh on 2 November. Van Gogh was apparently killed because he made a short film featuring semi-naked women talking about domestic violence in Islamic society.
A Muslim, 26 who holds Moroccan and Dutch nationality has been arrested for the killing.
Prosecutors say the murder suspect Mohammed B. was part of a group of extremist young Muslims. Several other people have been arrested as part of the investigation into Van Gogh's assassination.
Preacher Van de Ven used the television programme on Tuesday night to once again deny media accusations that his sermons in mosques have helped radicalise some of the suspects and drive them to violence.
Van de Ven made the distinction between a "wish and the act". He said one could wish in one's thoughts and prayers that a person might die, but not approve of murder.
Presenter Knevel told the media later he was very unhappy with the preacher's comments.
The programme received hundreds of reactions following the interview with Van de Ven. Some listeners were angry the programme had given Van de Ven a platform to express his views.
Immigration and Integration Minister Rita Verdonk said on Radio 1 news she was shocked at the views expressed by the preacher. "How can we in the Netherlands have sunk so low. I am really concerned about this," she said.
Britain has prevented Sept 11-style terrorist attack: report
Yahoo! News - Britain has prevented Sept 11-style terrorist attack: report
Britain has prevented Sept 11-style terrorist attack: report
Mon Nov 22, 6:39 PM ET
LONDON (AFP) - British security services have foiled an Al-Qaeda plot to fly planes into targets in London in a September 11-style attack, Britain's independent ITV News network reported.
'This is the story of what could have been a nightmare averted,' said ITV's political editor Nick Robinson. 'A story not of failure, but of success.'
'That, at least, is what I am told by a senior authoritative source who says that the security services managed to avert a plot to fly planes into Canary Wharf here, and also into Heathrow Airport,' he said.
'I simply do not know the details of how they found out, how they stopped it, how close the plot got, but I am in no doubt that this was a genuine feeling on the behalf of those in the security services that they had managed to foil a plot and make us safer,' he added.
ITV News confirmed to AFP that their journalist's 'non-attributable source' was in 'the arena' of the security services or government, but would not be specific.
Britain's Home Office and London's Metropolitan Police declined to comment on the report.
Britain has prevented Sept 11-style terrorist attack: report
Mon Nov 22, 6:39 PM ET
LONDON (AFP) - British security services have foiled an Al-Qaeda plot to fly planes into targets in London in a September 11-style attack, Britain's independent ITV News network reported.
'This is the story of what could have been a nightmare averted,' said ITV's political editor Nick Robinson. 'A story not of failure, but of success.'
'That, at least, is what I am told by a senior authoritative source who says that the security services managed to avert a plot to fly planes into Canary Wharf here, and also into Heathrow Airport,' he said.
'I simply do not know the details of how they found out, how they stopped it, how close the plot got, but I am in no doubt that this was a genuine feeling on the behalf of those in the security services that they had managed to foil a plot and make us safer,' he added.
ITV News confirmed to AFP that their journalist's 'non-attributable source' was in 'the arena' of the security services or government, but would not be specific.
Britain's Home Office and London's Metropolitan Police declined to comment on the report.
Islamic spokesperson sympathize with murder
Nettavisen: News in English
Islamic spokesperson sympathize with murder
Carin Pettersson 19.11.04 12:04, ny 22.11.04 08:26
Dr. Zahid Mukhtar, spokesperson for Islamic Council in Norway, stated that he sympathize with the reason why the Dutch film director Theo van Gogh was murdered.
Mukhtar made the statement at the Norwegian debate program Holmgang Wednesday. Program leader Oddvar Stenstrøm asked if he understood that some Muslims could become so provoked that they killed, answered Mukhtar, «I understand that, even if there is no statutory authorization to do so.»
Jens Stoltenberg, leader of the Labor Party, demands that Mukhtar retracts his statements.
«I want to ask Muslim leaders in Norway in the most urgent manner to clearly and unmistakable condemn such violent acts as the murder of van Gogh,» Stoltenberg said to the Norwegian daily Aftenposten.
Stoltenberg stressed that Mukhtar’s statements to a large degree injures Muslims in Norway and the work for increasing tolerance.
Erna Solberg, minister of local government, did not participate in the program, but stated to Aftenposten that it is important to stress that no one in Norway must show understanding for the murder of people like van Gogh.
«It is one thing to understand what has happened. It is something entirely different to have understanding for the action,» Solberg said.
Islamic spokesperson sympathize with murder
Carin Pettersson 19.11.04 12:04, ny 22.11.04 08:26
Dr. Zahid Mukhtar, spokesperson for Islamic Council in Norway, stated that he sympathize with the reason why the Dutch film director Theo van Gogh was murdered.
Mukhtar made the statement at the Norwegian debate program Holmgang Wednesday. Program leader Oddvar Stenstrøm asked if he understood that some Muslims could become so provoked that they killed, answered Mukhtar, «I understand that, even if there is no statutory authorization to do so.»
Jens Stoltenberg, leader of the Labor Party, demands that Mukhtar retracts his statements.
«I want to ask Muslim leaders in Norway in the most urgent manner to clearly and unmistakable condemn such violent acts as the murder of van Gogh,» Stoltenberg said to the Norwegian daily Aftenposten.
Stoltenberg stressed that Mukhtar’s statements to a large degree injures Muslims in Norway and the work for increasing tolerance.
Erna Solberg, minister of local government, did not participate in the program, but stated to Aftenposten that it is important to stress that no one in Norway must show understanding for the murder of people like van Gogh.
«It is one thing to understand what has happened. It is something entirely different to have understanding for the action,» Solberg said.
FRENCH RESISTANCE:Teens hunt U.S. troops in Iraq
24-Nov-04 FRENCH RESISTANCE:Teens hunt U.S. troops in Iraq
FRENCH RESISTANCE: Teens hunt U.S. troops in Iraq
By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI
Associated Press Writer
PARIS - The two teenage friends hardly seemed like Islamic radicals. They smoked marijuana, drank beer, listened to rap and wore jeans.
Yet the pair of French Muslims died insurgents in Iraq - one a suicide car bomber, say relatives who traced the young men's path from the slums of Paris through a religious school in Syria to the fight against the U.S.-led coalition next door.
Like many young Muslims here, Abdelhalim Badjoudj and Redouane el-Hakim didn't have jobs, and relatives and friends say they grew more alienated in recent years, surrounded by secular Western culture and by what many Muslims see as a subtle bigotry among Frenchmen against Arabs.
U.S. Army soldiers clean the street after a French suicide car bomber detonated an explosive device near a U.S. patrol on the airport road in Baghdad, Iraq, in this Oct. 20 file photo, killing himself and injuring four others according to US and Iraqi officials. (AP)
Badjoudj, who would have turned 19 on Dec. 16, allegedly blew himself up on Oct. 20 while driving a car filled with explosives near a U.S. patrol on Baghdad's airport road, wounding two American soldiers and two Iraqi police officers. He is thought to be the second French citizen to have carried out a suicide attack in Iraq.
The body of el-Hakim, 19, reportedly was found July 17 after U.S. troops bombed a suspected insurgent hide-out in Fallujah, the city west of Baghdad that was overrun this month by U.S. and Iraqi troops.
French officials also confirmed the death of a third French insurgent, identified as Tarek W. In his 20s, he reportedly was killed Sept. 17 after operating for several months in Iraq's Sunni Triangle, where most foreign fighters are based.
FRENCH RESISTANCE: Teens hunt U.S. troops in Iraq
By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI
Associated Press Writer
PARIS - The two teenage friends hardly seemed like Islamic radicals. They smoked marijuana, drank beer, listened to rap and wore jeans.
Yet the pair of French Muslims died insurgents in Iraq - one a suicide car bomber, say relatives who traced the young men's path from the slums of Paris through a religious school in Syria to the fight against the U.S.-led coalition next door.
Like many young Muslims here, Abdelhalim Badjoudj and Redouane el-Hakim didn't have jobs, and relatives and friends say they grew more alienated in recent years, surrounded by secular Western culture and by what many Muslims see as a subtle bigotry among Frenchmen against Arabs.
U.S. Army soldiers clean the street after a French suicide car bomber detonated an explosive device near a U.S. patrol on the airport road in Baghdad, Iraq, in this Oct. 20 file photo, killing himself and injuring four others according to US and Iraqi officials. (AP)
Badjoudj, who would have turned 19 on Dec. 16, allegedly blew himself up on Oct. 20 while driving a car filled with explosives near a U.S. patrol on Baghdad's airport road, wounding two American soldiers and two Iraqi police officers. He is thought to be the second French citizen to have carried out a suicide attack in Iraq.
The body of el-Hakim, 19, reportedly was found July 17 after U.S. troops bombed a suspected insurgent hide-out in Fallujah, the city west of Baghdad that was overrun this month by U.S. and Iraqi troops.
French officials also confirmed the death of a third French insurgent, identified as Tarek W. In his 20s, he reportedly was killed Sept. 17 after operating for several months in Iraq's Sunni Triangle, where most foreign fighters are based.
Monday, November 22, 2004
Van Gogh's killing reveals anger at Islam - The Washington Times: World - November 19, 2004
Van Gogh's killing reveals anger at Islam - The Washington Times: World - November 19, 2004
'Ninety percent of our prison population is immigrants, they are the most dependent on our social schemes, they are non-Western and not speaking our language,' Mr. Wilders said in his office, where he is carefully watched by security guards since radical Islamic Web sites posted his picture and called for his beheading.
'Let me be honest, I'm talking about non-Western immigrants,' he said. 'Islam is fascist.'
Well, at least this guy gets it. But I'd imagine being threatened with decapitation will do that to a body. Must say though that the 90% figure is pretty surprising. They need to find out how many immigrants go on the dole immediately upon arrival as well.
'Ninety percent of our prison population is immigrants, they are the most dependent on our social schemes, they are non-Western and not speaking our language,' Mr. Wilders said in his office, where he is carefully watched by security guards since radical Islamic Web sites posted his picture and called for his beheading.
'Let me be honest, I'm talking about non-Western immigrants,' he said. 'Islam is fascist.'
Well, at least this guy gets it. But I'd imagine being threatened with decapitation will do that to a body. Must say though that the 90% figure is pretty surprising. They need to find out how many immigrants go on the dole immediately upon arrival as well.
Schroeder calls on Muslims to better integrate in Germany
Schroeder calls on Muslims to better integrate in Germany
Schroeder calls on Muslims to better integrate in Germany
AFP: 11/19/2004
BERLIN, Nov 19 (AFP) - German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder called on Muslims to better integrate themselves in German society, in extracts of a speech he will deliver on Saturday released early to two major newspapers here.
Schroeder warned of a 'conflict of cultures' and says Muslims 'must clearly and without misunderstanding demonstrate that they accept our legal order and democratic rules.'
He said that the state had to insist on the fact that 'our willingness to integrate corresponds to a willingness to be integrated on the part of those who come here.'
There as they say is the rub. Wanting them to integrate is only half of the equation. If Muslims aren't interested in integrating, not all the power of the State can make it happen. There are millions of Muslims in Europe that might have integrated if solid, forceful integration policy had been in place to start with, but since it wasn't, there are now tens of millions of people who must be integrated.
I suppose it's possible, but I'm pessimistic. With European economies on the rocks where is the money going to come from to accomplish such a massive project? Yet, it MUST be accomplished, or many of these disaffected Muslims are likely to go the jihad route as they have in other places in the world.
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Schroeder calls on Muslims to better integrate in Germany
AFP: 11/19/2004
BERLIN, Nov 19 (AFP) - German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder called on Muslims to better integrate themselves in German society, in extracts of a speech he will deliver on Saturday released early to two major newspapers here.
Schroeder warned of a 'conflict of cultures' and says Muslims 'must clearly and without misunderstanding demonstrate that they accept our legal order and democratic rules.'
He said that the state had to insist on the fact that 'our willingness to integrate corresponds to a willingness to be integrated on the part of those who come here.'
There as they say is the rub. Wanting them to integrate is only half of the equation. If Muslims aren't interested in integrating, not all the power of the State can make it happen. There are millions of Muslims in Europe that might have integrated if solid, forceful integration policy had been in place to start with, but since it wasn't, there are now tens of millions of people who must be integrated.
I suppose it's possible, but I'm pessimistic. With European economies on the rocks where is the money going to come from to accomplish such a massive project? Yet, it MUST be accomplished, or many of these disaffected Muslims are likely to go the jihad route as they have in other places in the world.
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The minister, the imam and the handshake
The minister, the imam and the handshake
The minister, the imam and the handshake
by Robert Chesal and the RN Internet desk, 22 November 2004
Minister Rita Verdonk offers her hand to an imam, who respectfully told her that he could not shake a woman's hand (tv footage)
Dutch Immigration and Integration Minister Rita Verdonk has told Muslim clerics in the Netherlands that they need to assimilate into Dutch society.
The minister, a member of the liberal-conservative VVD party, delivered her message in person at the weekend when she attended a meeting with some 50 imams, saying that she wished to continue her dialogue with them next year, only then in the Dutch language. She also called for the creation of a course in the Netherlands to train new imams.
However, it was just one aspect of her meeting with the Muslim clerics that grabbed most of the headlines, namely her attempt to shake hands with one of the imams. The handshake was refused.
I think it's finally sinking in. Not all people are created equal. Justice for some. Tolerance is only for the intolerant. Ignorance is strength!
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The minister, the imam and the handshake
by Robert Chesal and the RN Internet desk, 22 November 2004
Minister Rita Verdonk offers her hand to an imam, who respectfully told her that he could not shake a woman's hand (tv footage)
Dutch Immigration and Integration Minister Rita Verdonk has told Muslim clerics in the Netherlands that they need to assimilate into Dutch society.
The minister, a member of the liberal-conservative VVD party, delivered her message in person at the weekend when she attended a meeting with some 50 imams, saying that she wished to continue her dialogue with them next year, only then in the Dutch language. She also called for the creation of a course in the Netherlands to train new imams.
However, it was just one aspect of her meeting with the Muslim clerics that grabbed most of the headlines, namely her attempt to shake hands with one of the imams. The handshake was refused.
I think it's finally sinking in. Not all people are created equal. Justice for some. Tolerance is only for the intolerant. Ignorance is strength!
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Thursday, November 18, 2004
Israpundit: France gives up on Muslim integration, embraces Islam
I've been watching the silent conquest of Europe for years now, but I guess it just shocked me to hear Sarkozy come right out and say that Islam is France's future. There's an article entitled, Barbarians at the Gates of Paris that pretty well spells out the situation in France in regards to its muslim population.
Hearing a man as powerful as Sarkozy come out and say, there's nothing we can do about it, leads me to believe that the problem is FAR worse than what even that article shows and it's pretty horrendous in itself. How a whole people could decide to commit cultural, national and racial suicide is beyond me. I guess Aristotle was right: Some men are, by nature, slaves.
Israpundit: France gives up on Muslim integration, embraces Islam: "France gives up on Muslim integration, embraces Islam
The murder of Theo van Gogh concerns all of Europe. Or it should, as the murderer makes clear in the letter he left at the dead body, pinned to it with a knife. In it he calls for the collapse of Europe. Also, it has become clear one week after the murder that the assassin did not act alone, but belonged to a group of Muslim extremists, with international connections.
But the Netherlands, currently chairing the EU, neglected to broach the subject at what would have been a perfect occasion for it: An EU summit in Brussels. It is tacitly admitted that on almost any subject discussed within the EU, the opinions and interests of the tens of millions of Arabs, Turks and Pakistanis living in the EU are always a very real consideration.
In a month from now, another EU summit will vote about the entrance of Turkey into the EU. The Dutch government has consciously decided not to 'complicate' that matter any further by raising the question 'Just exactly how much Islam can Europe handle?'.
Last week Nicholas Sarkozy - France's former Foreign minister, and hardly less powerful a politician than President Chirac - was asked about integrating Islam with European attitudes on government and democracy, he said:
It is too late to speak of integrating Islam. Wether I like it or not, Islam is France's second religion. Therefore, we have to integrate it by making it a French Islam.
Sarkozy never mentioned a French Secret Service report that was published five months ago in Le Monde, which states that there are about three hundred Islamic enclaves in France, where French laws and standards play next to no role, but it is clear that this report forms the background of his statements.
Hearing a man as powerful as Sarkozy come out and say, there's nothing we can do about it, leads me to believe that the problem is FAR worse than what even that article shows and it's pretty horrendous in itself. How a whole people could decide to commit cultural, national and racial suicide is beyond me. I guess Aristotle was right: Some men are, by nature, slaves.
Israpundit: France gives up on Muslim integration, embraces Islam: "France gives up on Muslim integration, embraces Islam
The murder of Theo van Gogh concerns all of Europe. Or it should, as the murderer makes clear in the letter he left at the dead body, pinned to it with a knife. In it he calls for the collapse of Europe. Also, it has become clear one week after the murder that the assassin did not act alone, but belonged to a group of Muslim extremists, with international connections.
But the Netherlands, currently chairing the EU, neglected to broach the subject at what would have been a perfect occasion for it: An EU summit in Brussels. It is tacitly admitted that on almost any subject discussed within the EU, the opinions and interests of the tens of millions of Arabs, Turks and Pakistanis living in the EU are always a very real consideration.
In a month from now, another EU summit will vote about the entrance of Turkey into the EU. The Dutch government has consciously decided not to 'complicate' that matter any further by raising the question 'Just exactly how much Islam can Europe handle?'.
Last week Nicholas Sarkozy - France's former Foreign minister, and hardly less powerful a politician than President Chirac - was asked about integrating Islam with European attitudes on government and democracy, he said:
It is too late to speak of integrating Islam. Wether I like it or not, Islam is France's second religion. Therefore, we have to integrate it by making it a French Islam.
Sarkozy never mentioned a French Secret Service report that was published five months ago in Le Monde, which states that there are about three hundred Islamic enclaves in France, where French laws and standards play next to no role, but it is clear that this report forms the background of his statements.
Wednesday, November 17, 2004
Europe Becomes the Focus of the War
Full transcript of bin Ladin's speech (He doesn't want Dubya re-elected)
"Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security." - Osama bin Laden
I found it very curious that OBL would release a tape just prior to the US presidential election in 2004, and found it even more surprising at the content of the tape. Suddenly, he wasn't interested in slaughtering the American infidels. All of a sudden, he was interested in our security and 911 was a thing of the past. He wasn't trying to kill Americans any longer, he was trying to bleed America to bankruptcy. If we would just leave him alone, he'd leave us alone. If we'd elect the much more tractable John Kerry instead of the much more problematic George Bush, there was a chance of peace between Islam and America.
Suddenly, OBL was talking peace and security at a cost that he'd normally have to expend the resources to create hundreds of 911's for. He's learned that the American people won't be cowed. We've got many people still alive who remember America being stabbed in the back by the sneak attacks at Pearl Harbor. American's truly realize at a fundamental level that the world is full of deceptive people who can sucker-punch her in a heartbeat. They won't be fooled and they won't bow to the demands of these murdering monsters. We've learned through long, harsh lessons that when you give in to this kind of evil, it simply encourages it and spawns more and greater evils in the future. This is a lesson that Spain and the rest of Europe have yet to learn.
America learned on 911 that the price of failure in confronting these monsters is too awful to contemplate. Let's face an uncomfortable fact here that you really don't see bandied about very often. Al Queda's mission on 911 wasn't to kill 3000 American's. Their mission was to slaughter 50,000 American's and the only thing that prevented the accomplishment of that mission was the Grace of God and American technology. It had long been foreseen that an airliner could hit the towers and they were safe from such an impact. If they'd stayed standing even an hour longer, then most of those three thousand people would still be with us.
In 2003, Al Queda offered Europe a truce so that they could deal with America. I think that in 2004, they saw that America was a 'hard target' and the Osama tapes intent was directly opposite: Osama was offering America a truce so that they can deal with Europe. He must realize that Europe is a MUCH softer target. With gun control being what it is, a far larger pool of prospective recruits, state borders far less integrated than US states and many other reasons must lead him to the conclusion that he'd have a far easier time subverting European democracies than American democracy and the Spanish people's capitulation must have hammered that belief through. Europe in many ways is a plum ripe for the picking.
Islam hates Europe in ways that it hasn't learned to hate America. It wants Al Andalusia back and it's going to get it, whatever the cost.
I'm not sure what it is that blinds Europe to the danger in their midst, but surely it's more than a matter of politically correct multi-culturalism. France sees the problem, but doesn't recognize it for some reason. In late 2004, Nicholas Sarkozy, in reply to a question about Islamic assimilation said:
"It is too late to speak of integrating Islam. Whether I like it or not, Islam is France's second religion. Therefore, we have to integrate it by making it a French Islam."
They see the problem, but they just don't recognize it. They're in denial.
I've read as recently as today on a blog that Europeans think that American's are overestimating the problem. We're seeing problems that don't exist. On the other hand, there's this quote:
Sarkozy never mentioned a French Secret Service report that was published five months ago in Le Monde, which states that there are about three hundred Islamic enclaves in France, where French laws and standards play next to no role
Three hundred cites as the French call them where French law and French culture are suspended. That's only France though. I doubt the situation is better in most of the other major cities in Europe.
Let me try and put this into perspective. I'll concentrate on France since the problem seems to be most acute there but to one degree or another, it's no different for most other major European countries.
1) Since many of the immigrants are illegals, nobody really knows how bad the problem is. Estimates for all of Europe run from 12 to 20 million people. For France alone, I've seen estimates of anywhere from 2 to 8 million. That's a big problem all by itself.
2) The birthrate for native European women is 1.4 children on average. Replacement rate is 2.1 to replace both parents and grow a bit. Islamic replacement rate in Algeria and Morocco where most of the French immigrants come from is 4.2 per woman. I'm sorry. It doesn't take, as they say, a rocket scientist, to crunch these numbers. Even if all immigration, legal and illegal, were stopped in its tracks today, by 2,100, Europe as a culture won't exist. By 2050, upwards of 50% of French children will be Muslim.
3) The three hundred Islamic enclaves mentioned above, are the suburbs of major French cities. In America, cities rot from the center, in France, they rot from the suburbs. These 'burbs are packed to the rafters with MILLIONS of young, alienated Muslims who HATE France and everything she stands for. They boo the national anthem. They attack police with Molotov cocktails. They attack ambulance crews. Even Chirac, I understand, had to flee when molotov's were thrown at him when he went to these places to pander for votes.
4) These young people have all kinds of free time on their hands, since they are not able to get jobs under the French system. France's own economic problems don't really allow new jobs to be created and for these young Muslims, many black Africans, chances of landing a job are almost 0%. In these ghettos, unemployment is around 50%.
5) Just because these young people don't have jobs, doesn't mean that they're poor. They've figured out long since that they can make more in one day through crime than they can earn in a month through a boring, chained to the desk legitimate job. Also, it's not really hazardous since the French police fear to enter these projects. They're far from hungry, many own satellite dishes (to watch signals from North Africa), jewelry, nice auto's, most anything they want.
6) Having plenty of time, money and Muslim contacts, they also have access to the best weaponry available. You don't see the poor oppressed "Palestinians" with a lack of small arms or explosives and you won't see that here either. But we're not talking about an AK-47 and a couple of clips of ammo. There are reports of these people knocking off banks with bazooka's and RPG's.
7) France alone has over a THOUSAND mosques, all compliments of Saudi Arabia. Of it's 250 most prominent imams, not one is French. At French request, Saudi Arabia and other Arab/Muslim countries are MORE than happy to send in guest speakers and imams to prostletyze to the faithful. Due to French multicultural politically correct sensitivities, mosques are pretty much off limits.
8) The same story is reported in France, in Spain, in Sweden, in Norway, in Holland, in Belgium and Germany. Such as:
Sweden’s third-largest city, Malmø, according to the Swedish Aftonbladet, has become an outpost of the Middle East in Scandinavia: “The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations’s third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don’t know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized.”
"Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security." - Osama bin Laden
I found it very curious that OBL would release a tape just prior to the US presidential election in 2004, and found it even more surprising at the content of the tape. Suddenly, he wasn't interested in slaughtering the American infidels. All of a sudden, he was interested in our security and 911 was a thing of the past. He wasn't trying to kill Americans any longer, he was trying to bleed America to bankruptcy. If we would just leave him alone, he'd leave us alone. If we'd elect the much more tractable John Kerry instead of the much more problematic George Bush, there was a chance of peace between Islam and America.
Suddenly, OBL was talking peace and security at a cost that he'd normally have to expend the resources to create hundreds of 911's for. He's learned that the American people won't be cowed. We've got many people still alive who remember America being stabbed in the back by the sneak attacks at Pearl Harbor. American's truly realize at a fundamental level that the world is full of deceptive people who can sucker-punch her in a heartbeat. They won't be fooled and they won't bow to the demands of these murdering monsters. We've learned through long, harsh lessons that when you give in to this kind of evil, it simply encourages it and spawns more and greater evils in the future. This is a lesson that Spain and the rest of Europe have yet to learn.
America learned on 911 that the price of failure in confronting these monsters is too awful to contemplate. Let's face an uncomfortable fact here that you really don't see bandied about very often. Al Queda's mission on 911 wasn't to kill 3000 American's. Their mission was to slaughter 50,000 American's and the only thing that prevented the accomplishment of that mission was the Grace of God and American technology. It had long been foreseen that an airliner could hit the towers and they were safe from such an impact. If they'd stayed standing even an hour longer, then most of those three thousand people would still be with us.
In 2003, Al Queda offered Europe a truce so that they could deal with America. I think that in 2004, they saw that America was a 'hard target' and the Osama tapes intent was directly opposite: Osama was offering America a truce so that they can deal with Europe. He must realize that Europe is a MUCH softer target. With gun control being what it is, a far larger pool of prospective recruits, state borders far less integrated than US states and many other reasons must lead him to the conclusion that he'd have a far easier time subverting European democracies than American democracy and the Spanish people's capitulation must have hammered that belief through. Europe in many ways is a plum ripe for the picking.
Islam hates Europe in ways that it hasn't learned to hate America. It wants Al Andalusia back and it's going to get it, whatever the cost.
I'm not sure what it is that blinds Europe to the danger in their midst, but surely it's more than a matter of politically correct multi-culturalism. France sees the problem, but doesn't recognize it for some reason. In late 2004, Nicholas Sarkozy, in reply to a question about Islamic assimilation said:
"It is too late to speak of integrating Islam. Whether I like it or not, Islam is France's second religion. Therefore, we have to integrate it by making it a French Islam."
They see the problem, but they just don't recognize it. They're in denial.
I've read as recently as today on a blog that Europeans think that American's are overestimating the problem. We're seeing problems that don't exist. On the other hand, there's this quote:
Sarkozy never mentioned a French Secret Service report that was published five months ago in Le Monde, which states that there are about three hundred Islamic enclaves in France, where French laws and standards play next to no role
Three hundred cites as the French call them where French law and French culture are suspended. That's only France though. I doubt the situation is better in most of the other major cities in Europe.
Let me try and put this into perspective. I'll concentrate on France since the problem seems to be most acute there but to one degree or another, it's no different for most other major European countries.
1) Since many of the immigrants are illegals, nobody really knows how bad the problem is. Estimates for all of Europe run from 12 to 20 million people. For France alone, I've seen estimates of anywhere from 2 to 8 million. That's a big problem all by itself.
2) The birthrate for native European women is 1.4 children on average. Replacement rate is 2.1 to replace both parents and grow a bit. Islamic replacement rate in Algeria and Morocco where most of the French immigrants come from is 4.2 per woman. I'm sorry. It doesn't take, as they say, a rocket scientist, to crunch these numbers. Even if all immigration, legal and illegal, were stopped in its tracks today, by 2,100, Europe as a culture won't exist. By 2050, upwards of 50% of French children will be Muslim.
3) The three hundred Islamic enclaves mentioned above, are the suburbs of major French cities. In America, cities rot from the center, in France, they rot from the suburbs. These 'burbs are packed to the rafters with MILLIONS of young, alienated Muslims who HATE France and everything she stands for. They boo the national anthem. They attack police with Molotov cocktails. They attack ambulance crews. Even Chirac, I understand, had to flee when molotov's were thrown at him when he went to these places to pander for votes.
4) These young people have all kinds of free time on their hands, since they are not able to get jobs under the French system. France's own economic problems don't really allow new jobs to be created and for these young Muslims, many black Africans, chances of landing a job are almost 0%. In these ghettos, unemployment is around 50%.
5) Just because these young people don't have jobs, doesn't mean that they're poor. They've figured out long since that they can make more in one day through crime than they can earn in a month through a boring, chained to the desk legitimate job. Also, it's not really hazardous since the French police fear to enter these projects. They're far from hungry, many own satellite dishes (to watch signals from North Africa), jewelry, nice auto's, most anything they want.
6) Having plenty of time, money and Muslim contacts, they also have access to the best weaponry available. You don't see the poor oppressed "Palestinians" with a lack of small arms or explosives and you won't see that here either. But we're not talking about an AK-47 and a couple of clips of ammo. There are reports of these people knocking off banks with bazooka's and RPG's.
7) France alone has over a THOUSAND mosques, all compliments of Saudi Arabia. Of it's 250 most prominent imams, not one is French. At French request, Saudi Arabia and other Arab/Muslim countries are MORE than happy to send in guest speakers and imams to prostletyze to the faithful. Due to French multicultural politically correct sensitivities, mosques are pretty much off limits.
8) The same story is reported in France, in Spain, in Sweden, in Norway, in Holland, in Belgium and Germany. Such as:
Sweden’s third-largest city, Malmø, according to the Swedish Aftonbladet, has become an outpost of the Middle East in Scandinavia: “The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations’s third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don’t know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized.”
9) European governments and officials are doing their best to defuse the situation but no matter what they do, they're going to alienate someone. The French think the headscarf ban is a great thing but Muslims don't. They're trying to make a Muslim holiday in Germany, but that's simply going to appear to the native Europeans as betrayal and by Muslims as weakness.
So let's summarize.
You have millions of disaffected people who HATE Europe and European institutions. They are reproducing at a MUCH higher rate than the natives. They have access to weapons in unknown quantities that can be hidden in places that the European authorities can't access. Police are impotent to act. Citizens have on the whole been unarmed and are defenseless. 50% of men in French jails are Muslim which makes a great pool of potential recruits for fundamentalists.
I'll grant that I'm a yank and a long way from the center of the action, but if I even half of what I've read and listed above is true, Europe's moving at warp speed directly at a brick wall and there's not a thing she can do about it and the longer she waits, the more difficult things will become.
During the Second World War, it was easy to see who the invaders were and kick them out of the country. During this invasion however, when it's a matter of second and third generation citizens of Europe, it's going to be all but impossible to decide who should stay and who should go. THIS will be a quagmire. There will be no clear enemies and there's not telling what little thing will spark this into a conflagration that will quickly turn into a continental civil war.
One further word. During WWII and the Cold War, Europe had the US to fall back on to help it out of its problems. This time, I suspect that the US is going to sit it out and let Europe take care of this massive problem that they've created. There is VERY little enthusiasm to get into a protacted war on Europe's behalf this time. The rampant and obvious anti-Americanism apparent in virtually every country in Europe has alienated and angered a majority of Americans. Why should the US get involved in yet ANOTHER war 'over there'? So we can be called evil, and the biggest danger on the planet again 50 years down the road?
No thanks. Europe has been digging itself into this hole since 1960. This time, they can dig themselves out, or ask the UN for help.
Dutch Immigration Minister expels Algerian
Dutch Immigration Minister expels Algerian: "Dutch Immigration Minister expels Algerian
http://nu.nl/news.jsp?n=443571&c=11 ^
Posted on 11/17/2004 3:05:07 AM CST by teezle
(summary from Dutch)
THE HAGUE - Minister Verdonk (Immigration) has declared a 38 year old Algerian as unwanted foreigner last week and expelled him to Spain.
The Algerian is A.B., a man who was suspect before of recruting jihad warriors in the Nehtherlands. B. had a Spanish residence permit and is therefore handed over to Spanish authorities.
A.B. was found innocent because according to the judge the Justice department had arrested and prosecuted him unlegally based on information from the AIVD (intelligence service). But according to Verdonk he was a threat to society.
She bases this on infromation from the AIVD that the man had extremist sympathies and has called on several meetings for violence against Westerns and especially Dutch.
I can't understand this. He's not guilty because it was the AIVD that fingered him???? Maybe I'm interpreting this wrong. This is a third hand translation so thats entirely possible.
http://nu.nl/news.jsp?n=443571&c=11 ^
Posted on 11/17/2004 3:05:07 AM CST by teezle
(summary from Dutch)
THE HAGUE - Minister Verdonk (Immigration) has declared a 38 year old Algerian as unwanted foreigner last week and expelled him to Spain.
The Algerian is A.B., a man who was suspect before of recruting jihad warriors in the Nehtherlands. B. had a Spanish residence permit and is therefore handed over to Spanish authorities.
A.B. was found innocent because according to the judge the Justice department had arrested and prosecuted him unlegally based on information from the AIVD (intelligence service). But according to Verdonk he was a threat to society.
She bases this on infromation from the AIVD that the man had extremist sympathies and has called on several meetings for violence against Westerns and especially Dutch.
I can't understand this. He's not guilty because it was the AIVD that fingered him???? Maybe I'm interpreting this wrong. This is a third hand translation so thats entirely possible.
Tuesday, November 16, 2004
Times Online - Germans fear Islamic unrest
Germans fear Islamic unrest
November 17, 2004
Germans fear Islamic unrest
From Roger Boyes in Berlin
ISLAMIC preachers in Germany have been told that they may be ordered to deliver their sermons in German rather than in Arabic in an attempt to halt racist diatribes.
The move reflects Berlin’s fears that a spark of ethnic and religious unrest could leap from the Netherlands to Germany, a country with more than three million Muslims.
Support for such a move is growing after a television channel used hidden cameras to film the imam of a Berlin mosque frequented by young Turks. He was heard telling worshippers that “Germans can only expect to rot in the fires of hell because they are non-believers”.
The Germans, he said, would only support Turkish entry to the European Union if the Turks ripped down the minarets and bulldozed the mosques. Moreover, Germans smelt badly: “These nonbelievers, these Europeans, they do not even shave under their armpits, so that sweat gathers in their hair and makes them stink.”
The sermon, translated from Arabic and broadcast on German state television, stopped well short of a call to violence. But it was strong and hostile enough to shock ordinary Germans and the political class who argue that European Muslims are being poisoned by the rhetoric they hear in the mosques.
Senator Erhart Körting, in charge of internal security for the city of Berlin, threatened yesterday to expel the preacher to Turkey if his statements were confirmed. “I want this case cleared up within days,” he said.
Anetta Schavan, a powerful regional education minister tipped as a future leader of the Christian Democrats, led the political offensive against what the tabloids are describing as “hate preachers”.
“We must now consider legal steps to ensure that German is spoken in mosques and in Koran schools,” she said to wide applause among conservative politicians. The point would be to make it easier for plain-clothed policemen to monitor mosques’ activities.
The German Government is not convinced that it can push through such legislation: it would almost certainly prompt a long and uncomfortable constitutional debate about the freedom of worship. But mosques have been coming under closer scrutiny since the beginning of the year when the police raided a mosque in Gelsenkirchen after Friday prayers and a controversial sermon.
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German television last week withdrew the controversial film Submission, which has been blamed for inciting the fatal attack on the Dutch film director Theo van Gogh. The decision seems to have come from the Dutch production company rather than the German networks. “We don’t want to pour even more oil on the fire,” Alexandra Keddemann, spokeswoman for the producers, said.
Like in Holland, Germany suddenly is going to censor Submission, so the Islamics are going to win this round as well. They'll accomplish their mission or silencing van Gogh both in person and in film by butchering him. They learn again that terrorism works!
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November 17, 2004
Germans fear Islamic unrest
From Roger Boyes in Berlin
ISLAMIC preachers in Germany have been told that they may be ordered to deliver their sermons in German rather than in Arabic in an attempt to halt racist diatribes.
The move reflects Berlin’s fears that a spark of ethnic and religious unrest could leap from the Netherlands to Germany, a country with more than three million Muslims.
Support for such a move is growing after a television channel used hidden cameras to film the imam of a Berlin mosque frequented by young Turks. He was heard telling worshippers that “Germans can only expect to rot in the fires of hell because they are non-believers”.
The Germans, he said, would only support Turkish entry to the European Union if the Turks ripped down the minarets and bulldozed the mosques. Moreover, Germans smelt badly: “These nonbelievers, these Europeans, they do not even shave under their armpits, so that sweat gathers in their hair and makes them stink.”
The sermon, translated from Arabic and broadcast on German state television, stopped well short of a call to violence. But it was strong and hostile enough to shock ordinary Germans and the political class who argue that European Muslims are being poisoned by the rhetoric they hear in the mosques.
Senator Erhart Körting, in charge of internal security for the city of Berlin, threatened yesterday to expel the preacher to Turkey if his statements were confirmed. “I want this case cleared up within days,” he said.
Anetta Schavan, a powerful regional education minister tipped as a future leader of the Christian Democrats, led the political offensive against what the tabloids are describing as “hate preachers”.
“We must now consider legal steps to ensure that German is spoken in mosques and in Koran schools,” she said to wide applause among conservative politicians. The point would be to make it easier for plain-clothed policemen to monitor mosques’ activities.
The German Government is not convinced that it can push through such legislation: it would almost certainly prompt a long and uncomfortable constitutional debate about the freedom of worship. But mosques have been coming under closer scrutiny since the beginning of the year when the police raided a mosque in Gelsenkirchen after Friday prayers and a controversial sermon.
- snip -
German television last week withdrew the controversial film Submission, which has been blamed for inciting the fatal attack on the Dutch film director Theo van Gogh. The decision seems to have come from the Dutch production company rather than the German networks. “We don’t want to pour even more oil on the fire,” Alexandra Keddemann, spokeswoman for the producers, said.
Like in Holland, Germany suddenly is going to censor Submission, so the Islamics are going to win this round as well. They'll accomplish their mission or silencing van Gogh both in person and in film by butchering him. They learn again that terrorism works!
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Greens call for German Muslim public holiday
Greens call for German Muslim public holiday
16 November 2004
BERLIN - Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's Greens coalition partner called on Tuesday for establishing a Muslim public holiday in Germany as a reaction to violence in the Netherlands following the killing of Islam-critical film director Theo van Gogh.
Both Germany's Greens Environment Minister, Juergen Trittin, and the deputy chairman of the Greens in parliament, Hans-Christian Stroebele were quoted in the newspaper Die Welt as backing the move.
'Exactly such a sign is needed given the attacks in Holland,' said Stroebele, who like Trittin hails from the party's 'fundi' left-wing.
But Schroeder's Social Democrats (SPD) were cool to
the idea following a row earlier this month over a proposal to abolish the German Unity Day holiday in a bid to boost the economy. SPD government officials swiftly dropped the idea.
'It's well-meaning but does not fit in with our current economic situation,' said Dieter Wiefelspuetz, an SPD domestic security policy expert.
Leaders of the opposition Christian Democratic alliance (CDU/CSU) poured cold water on the idea.
'This nation has been strongly formed by Christianity,' said the CDU Interior Minister of Brandenburg state, Joerg Schoenbohm, adding that such a holiday would have no meaning to the vast majority of people living in Germany.
There are about 3.4 million Muslims living in Germany out of a total population of 82 million.
Guenther Beckstein, the Bavarian interior minister, said the proposal proved the Greens could not let go of their 'starry-eyed' dream of a multi-cultural society which has long since 'failed'.
In a related development, a Muslim preacher in Berlin issued a public apology for making strongly anti-German comments in a mosque which were secretly filmed by Germany's ZDF public TV.
"These remarks were offensive and wrong," said a letter by the preacher who has not been named by media.
An update to an earlier story translated into English from Expatica. 95%+ of Germans are infidels. This holiday is going to mean nothing to them.
16 November 2004
BERLIN - Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's Greens coalition partner called on Tuesday for establishing a Muslim public holiday in Germany as a reaction to violence in the Netherlands following the killing of Islam-critical film director Theo van Gogh.
Both Germany's Greens Environment Minister, Juergen Trittin, and the deputy chairman of the Greens in parliament, Hans-Christian Stroebele were quoted in the newspaper Die Welt as backing the move.
'Exactly such a sign is needed given the attacks in Holland,' said Stroebele, who like Trittin hails from the party's 'fundi' left-wing.
But Schroeder's Social Democrats (SPD) were cool to
the idea following a row earlier this month over a proposal to abolish the German Unity Day holiday in a bid to boost the economy. SPD government officials swiftly dropped the idea.
'It's well-meaning but does not fit in with our current economic situation,' said Dieter Wiefelspuetz, an SPD domestic security policy expert.
Leaders of the opposition Christian Democratic alliance (CDU/CSU) poured cold water on the idea.
'This nation has been strongly formed by Christianity,' said the CDU Interior Minister of Brandenburg state, Joerg Schoenbohm, adding that such a holiday would have no meaning to the vast majority of people living in Germany.
There are about 3.4 million Muslims living in Germany out of a total population of 82 million.
Guenther Beckstein, the Bavarian interior minister, said the proposal proved the Greens could not let go of their 'starry-eyed' dream of a multi-cultural society which has long since 'failed'.
In a related development, a Muslim preacher in Berlin issued a public apology for making strongly anti-German comments in a mosque which were secretly filmed by Germany's ZDF public TV.
"These remarks were offensive and wrong," said a letter by the preacher who has not been named by media.
An update to an earlier story translated into English from Expatica. 95%+ of Germans are infidels. This holiday is going to mean nothing to them.
Spain's Socialist-Led Descent into Darkness
Spain's Socialist-Led Descent into Darkness
"Cardinal Antonio Maria Rouco, archbishop of Madrid, said the new policies hearken back to a time when the country was subjugated by Muslim Moors. 'Some people wish to place us in the year 711,' he said in July. 'It seems as if we are meant to wipe ourselves out of history.'
While the Socialists eliminate religion classes teaching Catholic and Christian values in public schools, they plan to introduce Islamic religion classes in public schools in 2005. The National Catholic Confederation of Parents of Families and Students have condemned the measure, saying religious tolerance is exercised for Muslims, 'but hindered in the case of Catholics.' Islamic religion classes are proposed for several major cities including Barcelona and Madrid."
There are none so blind as those who will NOT see!
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"Cardinal Antonio Maria Rouco, archbishop of Madrid, said the new policies hearken back to a time when the country was subjugated by Muslim Moors. 'Some people wish to place us in the year 711,' he said in July. 'It seems as if we are meant to wipe ourselves out of history.'
While the Socialists eliminate religion classes teaching Catholic and Christian values in public schools, they plan to introduce Islamic religion classes in public schools in 2005. The National Catholic Confederation of Parents of Families and Students have condemned the measure, saying religious tolerance is exercised for Muslims, 'but hindered in the case of Catholics.' Islamic religion classes are proposed for several major cities including Barcelona and Madrid."
There are none so blind as those who will NOT see!
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English translation - letter left on Theo Van Gogh's body by the militant Islamist killer was 'Jihad Manifesto' -A call to destroy America and all "un
English translation - letter left on Theo Van Gogh's body by the militant Islamist killer was 'Jihad Manifesto' -A call to destroy America and all "unbelievers": Translations of ' martyrdom letter ' carried by killer - Death threat letter to cabinet minister Geert Wilders - Militant Islam Monitor - Militant Islam Monitor
"MIM: Below is the english translation of the letter which was stuck into the body of Theo Van Gogh with knife . Beneath that letter is the one which was found on the terrorist who killed him and hoped to be shot and martyred. Today the NRC Handelsblad published an 'open letter' which the killer had written to Geert Wilders a member of the Dutch cabinet. The original text and translation are also to be found below:
The letter can be seen as a 'Jihad Manifesto' since the killer refers to himself as the 'Emir van de Muhajideen'
These writings show conclusively that the Islamists are living in a parallel universe . This letter should be a wake up call for all of us to see that militant Islamist killers are dwelling among us. In the following days MIM will publish translations of articles which will explain the phenomenon of how such an Islamist who went to Dutch schools was able to fester and infect Dutch society with his deadly poison. After the killing 8 other Muslims living in Holland were arrested. A statistical study of percentage of potentially lethal Muslims in Holland shows that there are 50,000 militant Islamists presently at large."
FYI
"MIM: Below is the english translation of the letter which was stuck into the body of Theo Van Gogh with knife . Beneath that letter is the one which was found on the terrorist who killed him and hoped to be shot and martyred. Today the NRC Handelsblad published an 'open letter' which the killer had written to Geert Wilders a member of the Dutch cabinet. The original text and translation are also to be found below:
The letter can be seen as a 'Jihad Manifesto' since the killer refers to himself as the 'Emir van de Muhajideen'
These writings show conclusively that the Islamists are living in a parallel universe . This letter should be a wake up call for all of us to see that militant Islamist killers are dwelling among us. In the following days MIM will publish translations of articles which will explain the phenomenon of how such an Islamist who went to Dutch schools was able to fester and infect Dutch society with his deadly poison. After the killing 8 other Muslims living in Holland were arrested. A statistical study of percentage of potentially lethal Muslims in Holland shows that there are 50,000 militant Islamists presently at large."
FYI
FOXNews.com - U.S. & World - Tolerance Harder to Come By in Netherlands
FOXNews.com - U.S. & World - Tolerance Harder to Come By in Netherlands
"Officials confirm that the Dutch Secret Service, the agency in charge of investigating terrorism, has been infiltrated by at least one Islamic extremist. The agent was said to be recruited after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States in a rush to bring in Arabic speakers.
That agent was an associate of the radical accused of killing Theo Van Gogh."
Hmmmm. Looks like Europe needs to check out its intel services as well. This could be a SERIOUS problem if left untended.
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"Officials confirm that the Dutch Secret Service, the agency in charge of investigating terrorism, has been infiltrated by at least one Islamic extremist. The agent was said to be recruited after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States in a rush to bring in Arabic speakers.
That agent was an associate of the radical accused of killing Theo Van Gogh."
Hmmmm. Looks like Europe needs to check out its intel services as well. This could be a SERIOUS problem if left untended.
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Dutch raid Kurdish Training Camp
International News Article | Reuters.com
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch authorities have raided a suspected training camp of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) guerrilla group in the southern Netherlands and arrested 29 people, prosecutors said on Friday.
'This was a result of a year-long investigation,' a prosecution spokesman said, adding that 29 people had been arrested in the raid at a farmyard campsite near the southern village of Liempde. 'We suspect this was a training camp.'
Other raids were taking place elsewhere in connection with the investigation, Dutch news agency ANP reported. The prosecution spokesman declined to comment on this report.
The spokesman said there was no connection between the raid and others in the country in recent days linked with investigations into suspected Islamic militants following the murder last week of outspoken Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh.
The Netherlands is home to about 350,000 Turks.
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch authorities have raided a suspected training camp of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) guerrilla group in the southern Netherlands and arrested 29 people, prosecutors said on Friday.
'This was a result of a year-long investigation,' a prosecution spokesman said, adding that 29 people had been arrested in the raid at a farmyard campsite near the southern village of Liempde. 'We suspect this was a training camp.'
Other raids were taking place elsewhere in connection with the investigation, Dutch news agency ANP reported. The prosecution spokesman declined to comment on this report.
The spokesman said there was no connection between the raid and others in the country in recent days linked with investigations into suspected Islamic militants following the murder last week of outspoken Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh.
The Netherlands is home to about 350,000 Turks.
Religious violence in Netherlands alarms Germany
Religious violence in Netherlands alarms Germany
"'Hell lives for the infidels! Down with all democracies and all democrats!'"
WOW! Not too many ways to misinterpret this is there?
The Berliner Zeitung, a left-leaning paper in the German capital where about 200,000 mainly Turkish Muslims live, claims to know the answer: "The feelings of hatred against the majority Christian society are growing."
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Germany's tough-minded interior minister, Otto Schily, spoke at the weekend of "a danger" to the country despite successes in integrating the majority of immigrants.
Schily drew headlines earlier this year with a harsh warning to Islamic fundamentalists: "If you love death so much, then it can be yours."
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"These Germans, these atheists, these Europeans don't shave under their arms and their sweat collects under their hair with a revolting smell and they stink," said the preacher at the Mevlana Mosque in Berlin's Kreuzberg district, in the film made by Germany's ZDF public TV, adding: "Hell lives for the infidels! Down with all democracies and all democrats!"
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Asked about van Gogh's killing, Ulfkotte said: "The spark could jump over here at any time. We just need a provocation like in Holland. Islamists in Germany approved of (van Gogh's) murder and many of them actually cheered it."
- snip -
A survey by the Islam Archive in Soest - which houses a major collection of Islamic books and documents - found that the majority of Turks in Germany do not even practice their religion.
Does this even matter? With the EU's open borders, jihadi's don't have to be home-grown, they can be imported. Ask Mohammad Atta.
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"'Hell lives for the infidels! Down with all democracies and all democrats!'"
WOW! Not too many ways to misinterpret this is there?
The Berliner Zeitung, a left-leaning paper in the German capital where about 200,000 mainly Turkish Muslims live, claims to know the answer: "The feelings of hatred against the majority Christian society are growing."
- snip -
Germany's tough-minded interior minister, Otto Schily, spoke at the weekend of "a danger" to the country despite successes in integrating the majority of immigrants.
Schily drew headlines earlier this year with a harsh warning to Islamic fundamentalists: "If you love death so much, then it can be yours."
- snip -
"These Germans, these atheists, these Europeans don't shave under their arms and their sweat collects under their hair with a revolting smell and they stink," said the preacher at the Mevlana Mosque in Berlin's Kreuzberg district, in the film made by Germany's ZDF public TV, adding: "Hell lives for the infidels! Down with all democracies and all democrats!"
- snip -
Asked about van Gogh's killing, Ulfkotte said: "The spark could jump over here at any time. We just need a provocation like in Holland. Islamists in Germany approved of (van Gogh's) murder and many of them actually cheered it."
- snip -
A survey by the Islam Archive in Soest - which houses a major collection of Islamic books and documents - found that the majority of Turks in Germany do not even practice their religion.
Does this even matter? With the EU's open borders, jihadi's don't have to be home-grown, they can be imported. Ask Mohammad Atta.
Excerpt: More
German Green Party wants a Muslim Holiday
German Green Party wants a Muslim Holiday: "German Green Party wants a Muslim Holiday
http://www.welt.de/data/2004/11/16/361143.html ^
Posted on 11/16/2004 6:31:17 AM CST by teezle
(summary from German) The German Green Party wants to exchange one of the Christian Holidays for a Muslim Holiday. The Green minister in the cabinet agrees to the plan but coalition partner SPD (social-democrats) don't think the economy allows such a plan.
The Christian-democrats do not agree with the plan because of Germany being a country based on Christianity.
Around 3,4 million of the 82 million Germans are Muslim."
Maybe I need to change the name of this blog. It might be a surrender more than a war.
http://www.welt.de/data/2004/11/16/361143.html ^
Posted on 11/16/2004 6:31:17 AM CST by teezle
(summary from German) The German Green Party wants to exchange one of the Christian Holidays for a Muslim Holiday. The Green minister in the cabinet agrees to the plan but coalition partner SPD (social-democrats) don't think the economy allows such a plan.
The Christian-democrats do not agree with the plan because of Germany being a country based on Christianity.
Around 3,4 million of the 82 million Germans are Muslim."
Maybe I need to change the name of this blog. It might be a surrender more than a war.
Monday, November 15, 2004
Andrew Stuttaford on Theo Van Gogh on National Review Online
Andrew Stuttaford on Theo Van Gogh on National Review Online
"Or go, perhaps, to Rotterdam, and stare at a wall. A few days ago, a local artist reacted to the news of Van Gogh's killing by painting a mural that included the words 'Gij zult niet doden' ('Thou Shalt Not Kill'). Fair comment, you might think. Apparently not. The head of a nearby mosque complained. The police showed up and city workers sandblasted the inconvenient text into oblivion. Rotterdam's mayor has since apologized, but the damage had already been done.
Thou Shalt Not Kill.' Erased, obliterated, unacceptable. Much like Theo van Gogh."
There's more to this story. Apparently, carloads of Muslim youths came up to this painting of an angel bearing the commandment, Thou Shalt Not Kill and began spitting on it until it was almost obliterated from their slime. No commandments nor free speach for Islam I guess. I'll see if I can find the original story.
Excerpt
"Or go, perhaps, to Rotterdam, and stare at a wall. A few days ago, a local artist reacted to the news of Van Gogh's killing by painting a mural that included the words 'Gij zult niet doden' ('Thou Shalt Not Kill'). Fair comment, you might think. Apparently not. The head of a nearby mosque complained. The police showed up and city workers sandblasted the inconvenient text into oblivion. Rotterdam's mayor has since apologized, but the damage had already been done.
Thou Shalt Not Kill.' Erased, obliterated, unacceptable. Much like Theo van Gogh."
There's more to this story. Apparently, carloads of Muslim youths came up to this painting of an angel bearing the commandment, Thou Shalt Not Kill and began spitting on it until it was almost obliterated from their slime. No commandments nor free speach for Islam I guess. I'll see if I can find the original story.
Excerpt
US says controls most of Falluja, insurgents trapped
US says controls most of Falluja, insurgents trapped
"Cash said Marines shot dead snipers posted on mosque minarets. ''We have found a lot of weapons, including many hidden in mosques,'' he added. "
This wasn't exactly the quote I was looking for but it'll do. According to US commanders in Fallujah, EVERY mosque they went into had caches of weapons in them. Europe better look to the mosque situation and stop being squeamish and multi-culti about the mosques. The Islamics apparently don't consider them houses of God so I don't see why the Euro's should blind themselves to the fact that mosques are just like any other building.
"Cash said Marines shot dead snipers posted on mosque minarets. ''We have found a lot of weapons, including many hidden in mosques,'' he added. "
This wasn't exactly the quote I was looking for but it'll do. According to US commanders in Fallujah, EVERY mosque they went into had caches of weapons in them. Europe better look to the mosque situation and stop being squeamish and multi-culti about the mosques. The Islamics apparently don't consider them houses of God so I don't see why the Euro's should blind themselves to the fact that mosques are just like any other building.
Mini clash of civilizations - The Washington Times: Commentary - November 15, 2004
Mini clash of civilizations - The Washington Times: Commentary - November 15, 2004
Western Europe as a whole gets about half a million new Muslims a year. Most make their way from sub-Sahara Africa and North Africa, illegal immigrants smuggled by boat to Spain and Italy where they are free to travel with impunity to the rest of Europe. Thus, Europe's Muslim population has doubled to 20 million in the last 10 years.
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" Could the Netherlands be a curtain-raiser for a wider clash of civilizations in the old Continent? Hundreds of thousands of young Muslims in Europe are potential jihadis, according to European intelligence chiefs speaking not for publication. They have been warning their political masters about the tinderboxes that many Muslim communities have become. Jihadi volunteers are known to have left for Iraq from a number of Muslim slums on the outskirts of major European cities. "
If even 1% of a population of 20 million decide to turn Jihadi, that's a major sized army in the heart of Europe. With gun control enforced in much of the EU and military spending on the delcine, Europe is going to have a MAJOR problem fighting this war. However, I suspect that it will be FAR higher than 1%, up to 10% possibly and THAT is a VERY significant number. If they coalesce in one capital at a time, we could see Euro governments falling fairly rapidly.
More here
Western Europe as a whole gets about half a million new Muslims a year. Most make their way from sub-Sahara Africa and North Africa, illegal immigrants smuggled by boat to Spain and Italy where they are free to travel with impunity to the rest of Europe. Thus, Europe's Muslim population has doubled to 20 million in the last 10 years.
- snip -
" Could the Netherlands be a curtain-raiser for a wider clash of civilizations in the old Continent? Hundreds of thousands of young Muslims in Europe are potential jihadis, according to European intelligence chiefs speaking not for publication. They have been warning their political masters about the tinderboxes that many Muslim communities have become. Jihadi volunteers are known to have left for Iraq from a number of Muslim slums on the outskirts of major European cities. "
If even 1% of a population of 20 million decide to turn Jihadi, that's a major sized army in the heart of Europe. With gun control enforced in much of the EU and military spending on the delcine, Europe is going to have a MAJOR problem fighting this war. However, I suspect that it will be FAR higher than 1%, up to 10% possibly and THAT is a VERY significant number. If they coalesce in one capital at a time, we could see Euro governments falling fairly rapidly.
More here
A Dutch lesson for Canada (hello, wake up!)
A Dutch lesson for Canada (hello, wake up!)
National Post (Canada) Monday, November 15, 2004 Lorne Gunter
Bravo to the Dutch for recognizing that the assimilation of immigrants and refugees is preferable to multiculturalism and political correctness.
A sea change has occurred in the Netherlands in the past few years. The famously liberal Dutch citizenry, and a goodly number in officialdom, have come to recognize that too much acquiescence to the customs and traditions of immigrants and refugees has led to civil strife.
The prevailing sentiment among the majority of Dutch voters now is that their national immigration policy has made insufficient demands on newcomers to respect the foundations of Dutch law and culture. In particular, a large and growing Muslim community has been encouraged by official diversity programs to remain both detached from mainstream Dutch culture and hostile to it.
It has taken two gruesome political murders to jolt the Dutch from their previous cult-like devotion to tolerance.
Tolerance had become a civil religion among the Dutch before the assassinations of politician Pim Fortuyn in 2002 and filmmaker Theo van Gogh earlier this month. Fortuyn was not murdered by Muslims, but rather by a fanatic leftist, environmentalist, animal-rights activist outraged by Fortuyn's opposition to Muslim immigration. Volkert van der Graaf shot Fortuyn dead in the middle of the last Dutch election.
At the time of his death, Fortuyn was widely described as a right-wing populist, because reporters and editors assume the only politicians opposed to immigration and multiculturalism are on the right. But Fortuyn was a flamboyantly gay sociologist long active in the Partij van de Arbeid, the Dutch social democratic party. What distressed him about the rapid increase in the Muslim population was the threat rigid Muslims posed to his nation's liberal traditions. They were antagonistic to Holland's acceptance of same-sex rights, the sex trade and recreational drug use.
Similarly, Van Gogh was killed for producing a left-of-centre film exposing Muslim discrimination against women.
Van Gogh's alleged murderer is a Muslim, as are his six alleged accomplices.
Excerpt - More A Dutch lesson for Canada (hello, wake up!)
National Post (Canada) Monday, November 15, 2004 Lorne Gunter
Bravo to the Dutch for recognizing that the assimilation of immigrants and refugees is preferable to multiculturalism and political correctness.
A sea change has occurred in the Netherlands in the past few years. The famously liberal Dutch citizenry, and a goodly number in officialdom, have come to recognize that too much acquiescence to the customs and traditions of immigrants and refugees has led to civil strife.
The prevailing sentiment among the majority of Dutch voters now is that their national immigration policy has made insufficient demands on newcomers to respect the foundations of Dutch law and culture. In particular, a large and growing Muslim community has been encouraged by official diversity programs to remain both detached from mainstream Dutch culture and hostile to it.
It has taken two gruesome political murders to jolt the Dutch from their previous cult-like devotion to tolerance.
Tolerance had become a civil religion among the Dutch before the assassinations of politician Pim Fortuyn in 2002 and filmmaker Theo van Gogh earlier this month. Fortuyn was not murdered by Muslims, but rather by a fanatic leftist, environmentalist, animal-rights activist outraged by Fortuyn's opposition to Muslim immigration. Volkert van der Graaf shot Fortuyn dead in the middle of the last Dutch election.
At the time of his death, Fortuyn was widely described as a right-wing populist, because reporters and editors assume the only politicians opposed to immigration and multiculturalism are on the right. But Fortuyn was a flamboyantly gay sociologist long active in the Partij van de Arbeid, the Dutch social democratic party. What distressed him about the rapid increase in the Muslim population was the threat rigid Muslims posed to his nation's liberal traditions. They were antagonistic to Holland's acceptance of same-sex rights, the sex trade and recreational drug use.
Similarly, Van Gogh was killed for producing a left-of-centre film exposing Muslim discrimination against women.
Van Gogh's alleged murderer is a Muslim, as are his six alleged accomplices.
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Opening phase of the war - HOLLAND
Here you will find a wide variety of links providing the background on the situation in Holland since the butchering of Theo van Gogh.
I've been watching the situation in Holland since it began, but I guess I was just flabbergasted by this quote by a former Dutch EU commisssioner (don't remember the name right off but can find it if needed):
"The most common first name registered at birth these days in Amsterdam is Mohammed,"
Surely this should have been a tipoff that there was trouble in the heartland of Holland.
Now I'm sure that many will call me a racist bigot and tell me that not all Muslims are fundamentalists and the like, but I don't buy it.
Mohammed Bouyeri, the killer of van Gogh was, until three years before the murder a well-balanced, integrated Muslim. He spoke and wrote good Dutch, dressed in the Dutch style and had assimliated as would be expected of a person who was living in a new culture.
Then his mother died of cancer. He blamed the West for not saving her and suddenly, BOOM, he took solace in the Koran, started dressing in traditional Muslim dress and forgot all of his past, becoming a true Muslim at heart.
I think there's going to be a huge explosion in Europe and this blog has been started in order to report on it and track it.
The Holland front is only the first battle in what promises to be a long and bloody war. The war is going to cover all of Europe in a cloud of darkness from Sweden and Norway in the far north, to Spain, France and Italy in the far south.
And unfortunately, I don't see a way to avoid the explosion. Euro population demographics are tanking and Islamic demographics are skyrocketing. Even if Europe stopped all immigration today, the war for Eurabia would still happen due to these population dynamics.
Europe will find out to its detriment that its "multicultural tolerance" has injected itself with a cancer that it's not going to find easy to eradicate. It has an ever more aging population, virtually no military, socialist economies that are in the tank and at the core of the problem, it NEEDS immigration from other countries. It's made a conscious decision to make its bed with the Arab/Muslim states and gone to enormous lengths to tie its political and cultural structure to these states and now its going to find that its going to be raped.
I hope Europe the best. It was the cradle of the Enlightenment which we currently enjoy, but I guess I don't see much hope for their future. It's fighting an enemy which has no qualms and few morals and which will do absolutely ANYTHING to bring about the Caliphate. Islam HAS no rules when it comes to the spread of Islam, and the Dutch are finding that out in the Opening battle for Eurabia - HOLLAND.
I've been watching the situation in Holland since it began, but I guess I was just flabbergasted by this quote by a former Dutch EU commisssioner (don't remember the name right off but can find it if needed):
"The most common first name registered at birth these days in Amsterdam is Mohammed,"
Surely this should have been a tipoff that there was trouble in the heartland of Holland.
Now I'm sure that many will call me a racist bigot and tell me that not all Muslims are fundamentalists and the like, but I don't buy it.
Mohammed Bouyeri, the killer of van Gogh was, until three years before the murder a well-balanced, integrated Muslim. He spoke and wrote good Dutch, dressed in the Dutch style and had assimliated as would be expected of a person who was living in a new culture.
Then his mother died of cancer. He blamed the West for not saving her and suddenly, BOOM, he took solace in the Koran, started dressing in traditional Muslim dress and forgot all of his past, becoming a true Muslim at heart.
I think there's going to be a huge explosion in Europe and this blog has been started in order to report on it and track it.
The Holland front is only the first battle in what promises to be a long and bloody war. The war is going to cover all of Europe in a cloud of darkness from Sweden and Norway in the far north, to Spain, France and Italy in the far south.
And unfortunately, I don't see a way to avoid the explosion. Euro population demographics are tanking and Islamic demographics are skyrocketing. Even if Europe stopped all immigration today, the war for Eurabia would still happen due to these population dynamics.
Europe will find out to its detriment that its "multicultural tolerance" has injected itself with a cancer that it's not going to find easy to eradicate. It has an ever more aging population, virtually no military, socialist economies that are in the tank and at the core of the problem, it NEEDS immigration from other countries. It's made a conscious decision to make its bed with the Arab/Muslim states and gone to enormous lengths to tie its political and cultural structure to these states and now its going to find that its going to be raped.
I hope Europe the best. It was the cradle of the Enlightenment which we currently enjoy, but I guess I don't see much hope for their future. It's fighting an enemy which has no qualms and few morals and which will do absolutely ANYTHING to bring about the Caliphate. Islam HAS no rules when it comes to the spread of Islam, and the Dutch are finding that out in the Opening battle for Eurabia - HOLLAND.
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